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AirAttack Member Posts: 58	Shot Gun Steps Nov 8, 2003 22:51:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by AirAttack on Nov 8, 2003 22:51:42 GMT Can someone tell me how the 3-step and 5-step passes calibrate out of the Gun.
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Shot Gun Steps Nov 9, 2003 12:50:29 GMT

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Post by Coach Lyle on Nov 9, 2003 12:50:29 GMT

Gun equals two; i.e., 3-step route is not one step, 5-step uses a 3-step. The QB should assume the same type of stance used under center; ie., feet staggered, but with the hands up. This allows the QB to use his same footwork as if he was under the center. There is no additional teaching needed.

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AirAttack Member Posts: 58	Shot Gun Steps Nov 9, 2003 23:12:45 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by AirAttack on Nov 9, 2003 23:12:45 GMT Coach what do you mean when you say Gun equals 2 and is a three step drop a one step drop from the Gun.
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Shot Gun Steps Nov 10, 2003 7:33:59 GMT

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Post by Coach Lyle on Nov 10, 2003 7:33:59 GMT

If your route requires the QB to use a 5-step drop from under the center, and you move him to the gun, it changes the drop; i.e, the QB now uses a 3-step drop (5 minus 2). Just one other point, if the route typically is a 3-step, for us our 300 series, we also have our receiver ADD two steps if the QB moves into the gun.

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Shot Gun Steps Nov 10, 2003 9:17:21 GMT

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Post by airman on Nov 10, 2003 9:17:21 GMT

I have found in the three step from gun the best way to go about it is for the qb to catch,find the laces and throw. this pause setsup the timing. if you watch purdue out of the gun in the quick game they do this.

as for 5 step undercenter we use three steps. 5 steps in the gun would equal 7 undercenter.

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Shot Gun Steps Nov 10, 2003 12:01:37 GMT

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Post by enc-ballcoach on Nov 10, 2003 12:01:37 GMT

If you subscribe to that thinking wouldn't it throw off your timing with your recievers. If you are going to assume the same stance as you would under center than wouldn't you need to take the same number of steps to keep the timing with the recievers. Granted this puts you deeper as the QB but your timing with the recievers would still be the same. Our 1 step game out of gun is just like what one of the coaches had said about Purdue, catch find the laces and throw. Our 3 step does not change for the QB or the recievers, our timing seems to mesh and we can go from under center or from the gun.
This is just an inquirey, by no means am I claiming that I am absolutly correct, just a question.

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Shot Gun Steps Nov 10, 2003 12:19:59 GMT

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Post by Teeter16 on Nov 10, 2003 12:19:59 GMT

Generally speaking, the standard way of adjusting drops to the gun is the "subtract 2" steps from the under center drop.

However, speaking from personal experience, I found it dificult to throw the quick game from shotgun. In order to time things correctly, you basically have to catch the snap and throw. Sometimes there isn't sufficient time to even get the laces. I preferred throwing the quick game from under center. I did enjoy the other benefits of the gun though.

I have heard that the 49ers never used the shotgun during the Montana era b/c the quick game was such a staple of the West Coast Offense, and Montana didn't like it. I am not sure if this is fact or fiction, but it makes sense.

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AirAttack Member Posts: 58	Shot Gun Steps Nov 10, 2003 12:31:26 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by AirAttack on Nov 10, 2003 12:31:26 GMT How far do you line up the QB from the Center.
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Teeter16 Member Posts: 105	Shot Gun Steps Nov 10, 2003 12:38:13 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Teeter16 on Nov 10, 2003 12:38:13 GMT We aligned 4 and a half to 5 yds deep.
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airman Senior Member Posts: 280	Shot Gun Steps Nov 11, 2003 11:14:34 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by airman on Nov 11, 2003 11:14:34 GMT if you read the quick passing books by robinson/coverdale there are some routes which need work on the timing and some routes which are enhanced by being in the shotgun. double slant routes work well in the shotgun I think.

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Shot Gun Steps Dec 8, 2003 10:21:16 GMT

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Post by mitchdog on Dec 8, 2003 10:21:16 GMT

We ran all shotgun with the quick passing game and did not adjust our route depth. Our QB practiced throwing without the laces. It took him about a week to get comfortable with this but then he did not have any problems. He was a kid with small hands too, which makes it even harder.

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Post by AirAttack on Nov 8, 2003 22:51:42 GMT

Post by Coach Lyle on Nov 9, 2003 12:50:29 GMT

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Post by Coach Lyle on Nov 10, 2003 7:33:59 GMT

Post by airman on Nov 10, 2003 9:17:21 GMT

Post by enc-ballcoach on Nov 10, 2003 12:01:37 GMT

Post by Teeter16 on Nov 10, 2003 12:19:59 GMT

Post by AirAttack on Nov 10, 2003 12:31:26 GMT

Post by Teeter16 on Nov 10, 2003 12:38:13 GMT

Post by airman on Nov 11, 2003 11:14:34 GMT

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