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gawntrail
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Coaches on campus... Nov 13, 2003 9:33:03 GMT

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Post by gawntrail on Nov 13, 2003 9:33:03 GMT

Coaches,

We have a mixed staff. Out of 16 staff members (program wide) 5 are teachers on staff, 2 are classified in district, 1 is a teacher in another district (all of which are paid), and the rest are walk-ins (some paid - some not).

What are your opinions on a staff being on campus?

Coach G

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Coaches on campus... Nov 13, 2003 10:00:39 GMT

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Post by CoachK on Nov 13, 2003 10:00:39 GMT

I am going to tell you from personal experience, your staff needs to be on campus, for most of the day at the very least. This way you and they will know first hand how these kids act, how they present themselves, and how they do in class. If your staff is off campus then they really on see the kids about 2 - 3 hours per day. If they are on campus then the coaches can be with them from 7:30 (or so) until practice is over. It goes a long way for molding character and displaying how you expect them to handle themselves. Also, they will be more apt to follwing you and your staff, because you all will be leading them all the time not just three hours per day. This is just my honest opion. The only memeber of my staff that is not on campus is my RB coach and we are working to get him with us.

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Coaches on campus... Nov 13, 2003 10:31:46 GMT

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Post by ayeziggyzoomba on Nov 13, 2003 10:31:46 GMT

One Coach in the Building is worth 2 off the street...
Lay Coaches can be important vital parts of a program... (this is how I got started)
,, but coaching is more than x's and o's,,, it is Life Building....and the times during school when we can interact/check with players are as important as the afterschool times...

IT CAN BE DONE

gawntrail
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Coaches on campus... Nov 14, 2003 14:09:35 GMT

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Post by gawntrail on Nov 14, 2003 14:09:35 GMT

Coaches,

I agree that more should be on campus. Here in SoCal lots of coaches are walk-ons. Because there are so many schools, there are not enough quality coaches that are teachers. Hence, the high number of off campus types.

If you were (or are) a Head Coach of a program do you meet with these coaches (walk-ons) and put them on a career tracking plan so that they can get on campus? Is this something that sounds feasible? What are your opinions on having recent graduates fill out your coaching slots (quasi graduate assistants) while they get their degrees? In your experiences, do you see an advantage in 'growing' your own staff this way?

All opinions are welcome. Thank you.

Coach G

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Coaches on campus... Nov 17, 2003 6:02:08 GMT

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Post by enc-ballcoach on Nov 17, 2003 6:02:08 GMT

Coaches,
Take from me, I have been there for the past 4 seasons. It is vital to have coaches in the school. Out of a coaching staff of 6 paid and 2 walk-ons (small school) this was the first season that I had myself +2 assistants in the school. The rest of the staff is off campus and only on campus for the 2 1/2 to 3 hours of practice, (it is also hard to keep them on the same page). The coaches that are on campus, one is the school disiplinarian, the other is an "other" sport coach who is just doing me a favor by helping (and doing a good job). But does not want to be out there, and I believe that you have to love the grind to make it work on and off the football field.
What I have found, is this makes it much harder to communicate with teachers, RECRUIT, and over all run the program the way you would like to have it run. There has been little to no effort to change this situation, over the past 4 seasons I have brought in 3 coaches that would have been great on staff, however they where not hired. Recruiting is probably the biggest reason of all, you need to have more than just one face that the kids see, and those that I contact who don't want me to talk to them anymore avoid me its easy I am the only one so they avoid my area of the building or turn the other way when they see me.
YOU MUST HAVE COACHES ON STAFF TO BE SUCCESSFUL. Not succesessful in wins, but successful in helping your players grow to be positive young men.

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kel_coach
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Coaches on campus... Dec 8, 2003 12:29:47 GMT

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Post by kel_coach on Dec 8, 2003 12:29:47 GMT

As an off campus coach, I would have to agree with alot of what the on campus coaches are saying. A lot of the time, I feel that I'm not in tune with these kids, and I can't get into there heads enough, b/c I don't have the time with them to know them as well as I should. This summer, I'm going back to school, so that I can get into the education system. I ultimately want to be an HC, and I know I have to be a certified teacher to do so. As far as x's and o's go, I don't think there's much of a difference, except when an HC needs to drop by and give me game/practice plan change earlier in the day and not after I've arrive at the school. Even email has alleviated some of that. I know that there is a difference in comraderie level amongst on campus coaches also. They all share a common bond within that building, that neither I nor the other off campus coach can share with them. It's a tough situation, but due to new rules in our school district and a lack of on campus candidates, off campus coaches will be around for awhile.

I'm not saying get rid of all off campus coaches, because that would be a great mistake. We all have to start somewhere. But I think ultimately, you're going to be more successful with a staff consisting primarily of on campus coaches. Just my two cents.

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Coaches on campus... Dec 9, 2003 7:54:24 GMT

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Post by enc-ballcoach on Dec 9, 2003 7:54:24 GMT

kel-coach,
You are right in saying that we should not get rid of off campus coaches, I have meet some tremendous people and coaches that way. Having been forced to hire off campus coaches I have run into many problems, however I have also found some very good coaches.

Coach C

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airman
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Coaches on campus... Dec 13, 2003 21:45:35 GMT

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Post by airman on Dec 13, 2003 21:45:35 GMT

I believe you should find away to get all your coaches on staff. my first year coach I was working with the frosh and had a nonstaffer as my assistant. He would just not showup some times so here I was 1 coach for 35 kids trying to run a scheduled practice. to make matters worse he wanted to coach the defense and I let him. he didnot showup for a game one time so I had to find a kid to signal in the defensive signals. I had no clue. to make matter worse at the end of season banqute he did not even showup. we can his rearend the next day.
then he goes around bad mouthing me and the head coach to the local booster football league.

enc-ballcoach
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Coaches on campus... Dec 16, 2003 6:28:43 GMT

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Post by enc-ballcoach on Dec 16, 2003 6:28:43 GMT

airman
I have been there, and I understand, everything that you mentioned has happened to me. It makes it tough, I am beginning to believe that sometimes you would be better off doing it by yourself, however I do relize that that is not possible.

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Coaches on campus... Dec 17, 2003 5:27:32 GMT

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Post by lochness on Dec 17, 2003 5:27:32 GMT

I actually have a pretty strong stance on this issue. When I played football in High School, most of our coaches were not in the school system, and we had fantastic, dedicated, and knowledgable coaches. I was so inspired by them and had such tremendous respect for them, that their influence has factored prominantly in my being a successful coach for the past 10 seasons. I have a career that I love that is outside of school, but I am allowed a schedule that allows me to be there every day for practice, and in the off season if I need to be (after school for weight lifting, meetings, and so forth).

I feel that I've been very effective, as have many other dedicated coaches. If a coach loves his coaching job, cares about his men, and is dedicated to teaching and learning, I don't think he "needs to be in the school". Head coaches need to be more responsible when hiring their assistants. Get people who are coaching for the right reasons, and who believe in what your program is trying to accomplish. If this is done properly, you will have no problems.

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Coaches on campus... Dec 17, 2003 8:39:54 GMT

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Post by chargercoach on Dec 17, 2003 8:39:54 GMT

Nice post lochness. I have been coaching for 17 years as a coach not on campus. I understand some of the concerns coaches might have about off campus coaches. To me, a coach is a coach is a coach. I am at every meeting,every practice,every game and every event at school that has to do with football. Don't hire a coach as a sometime deal and don't take on a guy that just wants to help out. Require you off campus coach to be at all football related functions. If he really wants to coach this will be no problem. As lochness said, get people who are coaching for the right reasons and that believe in your program. One advantage I have by not teaching is that I get to look at a lot more film than most coaches. I also provide a different look at personnel. These past 17 years I have been the offensive coordinator at two different schools winning a state championship in Class 2A and Class 5A. None of this would of happened if a head coach hadn't taken a chance on me. I love this sport and love the interaction between coaches and students. To me, I have the best of both worlds.

Chargercoach

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Coaches on campus... Dec 17, 2003 12:52:45 GMT

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Post by bigcat on Dec 17, 2003 12:52:45 GMT

One thing that causes a large number of coaches to be off-campus is that once a teacher/coach gets tenure, they don't want to start over at a new school or system. They may not be into coaching all that much and just did it for job security reasons. If this is the case, when they get tenure or they have no desire to coach anymore, they quit coaching and keep teaching and it makes it hard to hire another coach because of the lack of teaching slots.

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Coaches on campus... Dec 20, 2003 20:57:01 GMT

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Post by airman on Dec 20, 2003 20:57:01 GMT

I was at a school where teachers stopped coaching(the a.d. ran them off) and they are having a huge problem. the boys basketball coach wants to retire but there is no one to take his place. He and his assistant have been there for a few decades. He does not want to leave the program go all to heck so he keeps on coaching. He tells me that he is going to have to leave sometime and is really conflicted about what to do.

If you do not have a good a.d this is what happens sad to say. I am glad I left that school not only because of the a.d. but because he would just hire anyone off the street and in my previous post you can see what happened.

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