So afraid of Double Tight alignments...

Khalfie
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So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Jan 15, 2004 18:21:41 GMT

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Post by Khalfie on Jan 15, 2004 18:21:41 GMT

Coaches...

Going into my second year as a defensive coordinator. We've utilized a multiple front defense, with reading 4-3 principles, but recognizing we are in an I- formation power / option conference, we are moving into the 50 with a Rover this year.

My question, or more so, my concern is with Double Tight formations, especially when they consist of wide receivers, flankers spread. Never good enough to man up, we have to honor the receivers with 4 in coverage, especially if the TE's themselves are threats, leaving 7 in the box to handle their 7 blockers plus back and QB.

Typically, scouting gives us an idea of what is going to occur, but any misdirection, executed option, and we find ourselves at a numbers disadvantage. Being that its double tight, we usually have 5 or more men on the line, they break our first wave, and its easily a big gain.

I just haven't found a scheme, look, or alignment that I feel comfortable with attacking the double tight... if you have any suggestions, would be highly appreciated.

Khalfie

DC29 Senior Member Posts: 453	So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Jan 15, 2004 20:57:17 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by DC29 on Jan 15, 2004 20:57:17 GMT a 50 or 30?
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So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Jan 16, 2004 8:14:01 GMT

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Post by Coach Golla on Jan 16, 2004 8:14:01 GMT

Coach,
We do not mind 2 te set. We first want to look at their favorite run plays then blocking scheme on pass. We will sometimes depending depending on the team get into to 8 techniques with our Tackles (head up of TE) have our stack backers play the same but bring in an extra Mike so we have 4 linebackers in the game. We are now totally numbered versus run and can 1+ versus the pass. We will keep our to Hawks (saft) play behind to stop any long runs. They will make plays at the l.o.s or for 2-3 yards. We will play man, we can even take our a Hawk and put in a cb if they go trips etc.....
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So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Jan 16, 2004 8:35:15 GMT

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Post by MG@CI on Jan 16, 2004 8:35:15 GMT

Well, we face the same problems you are describing and did the following: When we faced the double tights with 2 flankers or wide outs, we went man with the corners and walked the safeties right into the box giving us a cover 2 look and nine in the box. Our safeties keyed the TE and if they showed run block, we stayed in the box. If the TE's gave a pass release, we went man with the safeties. The LB's had the back and QB.

If they were in an I formation or any other two back set, we went man with the corner on the flanker or wide out and man on the backside TE with the other corner and dropped the FS to centerfield. Against motion we bumped and filled bringing 9 into the box again.

We coached against the counters, option etc. by emphasizing contain, assignment, pursuit angles and chase on the backside.

We encountered problems when they ran the backs out on a swing or arrow route because it was too far for the LB's. We are experimenting with using the safeties, tightening the DL and widening the LB's to cover the TE.............We'll have to see. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome.

DC29 Senior Member Posts: 453	So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Jan 16, 2004 8:58:36 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by DC29 on Jan 16, 2004 8:58:36 GMT we see mainly double tight, we bring our stingers up to play 9's
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DC29 Senior Member Posts: 453	So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Jan 16, 2004 8:59:16 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by DC29 on Jan 16, 2004 8:59:16 GMT very sorry for all the double posts i've had lately. my computer has been doing it on everything i do, i'll have our tech come look at it today.
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So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Jan 16, 2004 9:04:37 GMT

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Post by Coach Golla on Jan 16, 2004 9:04:37 GMT

Coach,
We have rules on coverage like you. We play our hawks man on te and use cancel technique on rb. If the rb swings whoever is force will go with him. This is done everyday in pursuit drill.. If the rb ever EVER comes to your gap you have him... Tackle him, play man on him etc.... We have done a great job on this and have really stopped the screen and back out. We are very conscious of teams who want to screen us because of our blitzing. Kids have to know where you are weak and take pride in stopping it. (That is when we are in man.) PGOLLA

DC29 Senior Member Posts: 453	So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Jan 16, 2004 9:09:27 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by DC29 on Jan 16, 2004 9:09:27 GMT with our stingers on the line, we also have them cover backs out of the backfield. we drill that a lot and really try to get backs out in all kinds of different spots and get the stingers to react.
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tp Junior Member Posts: 12	So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Mar 7, 2004 16:56:21 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by tp on Mar 7, 2004 16:56:21 GMT Continuing the original question....how do you handle double-tight Wing-T?
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Lou Cella Senior Member Posts: 1,486	So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Mar 20, 2004 13:29:35 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Lou Cella on Mar 20, 2004 13:29:35 GMT TP... the wing will almost ALWAYS take you to the play. If he arc motions, it's belly to the motion. If no motion, they are running to the wing.
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So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Mar 20, 2004 18:03:35 GMT

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Post by tp on Mar 20, 2004 18:03:35 GMT

Coach Lou, I agree, almost always. Sally and the traps being a couple of big exceptions. How do you play against sound Wing-T teams? Kenny Ratledge's book lays out an approach from the 4-3 (32i front). Anyone able to succesfully apply his methods? Last year we had our LB's running downhill on the snap form 5-6 yds off LOS, but looking at the wrong keys out of the 5-3. We got torched on the trap & sally. This will be my 1st year as DC. If Wing-T are the better O's in our conference, I'm considering the 4-3. Your thoughts and advice are appreciated.

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So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Mar 21, 2004 4:51:58 GMT

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Post by Lou Cella on Mar 21, 2004 4:51:58 GMT

Nah... play your base defense and teach your kids what they are trying to do to you. As a wing-t coach, I know that this will always be the best way to defend the wing-t. Don't change your philosophy because of this offense. Prepare your kids for this offense. Teach your backside players not to fly to the ball and stay backside for the sally and tackle trap. Assignment football is the best way to defend the wing-t and even the triple option. There are a million ways to defend the wing-t. Go out and do it YOUR WAY! Good luck, TP.

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tp Junior Member Posts: 12	So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Mar 21, 2004 19:04:40 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by tp on Mar 21, 2004 19:04:40 GMT Coach Lou, good advice. Good luck. tp
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So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Mar 23, 2004 3:37:35 GMT

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Post by lochness on Mar 23, 2004 3:37:35 GMT

I agree with what the coach said earlier:

Double TE formations, walk your safeties up and run a "4 across" look. That way, you can still have 9 guys in the box, but you also can run just about any disguised coverage you want, just by rotating out. This is actually our base defense (double invert).

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So afraid of Double Tight alignments... Jun 30, 2004 19:13:29 GMT

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Post by CoachDave on Jun 30, 2004 19:13:29 GMT

The key to stopping the wing-t is to read your keys and not get caught watching the ball. We have our scout team run wing-t without a football and expect our players to know the play based on their reads. THis is very effective. The kids also have to be very disciplined, close down on the down blocks, and sit a wait on the backside.

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So afraid of Double Tight alignments...

Post by Khalfie on Jan 15, 2004 18:21:41 GMT

Post by DC29 on Jan 15, 2004 20:57:17 GMT

Post by Coach Golla on Jan 16, 2004 8:14:01 GMT

Post by MG@CI on Jan 16, 2004 8:35:15 GMT

Post by DC29 on Jan 16, 2004 8:58:36 GMT

Post by DC29 on Jan 16, 2004 8:59:16 GMT

Post by Coach Golla on Jan 16, 2004 9:04:37 GMT

Post by DC29 on Jan 16, 2004 9:09:27 GMT

Post by tp on Mar 7, 2004 16:56:21 GMT

Post by Lou Cella on Mar 20, 2004 13:29:35 GMT

Post by tp on Mar 20, 2004 18:03:35 GMT

Post by Lou Cella on Mar 21, 2004 4:51:58 GMT

Post by tp on Mar 21, 2004 19:04:40 GMT

Post by lochness on Mar 23, 2004 3:37:35 GMT

Post by CoachDave on Jun 30, 2004 19:13:29 GMT

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