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claudnslgr
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Advantages of 3-5 over a 4-4 Jan 27, 2004 18:38:23 GMT

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Post by claudnslgr on Jan 27, 2004 18:38:23 GMT

I am a 2nd yr DC and currently use a multiple 40 scheme with a primary 4-4 base. I tended to not take risks in my first year as the DC and stayed back in my base defense. I do intend to changeup more and do more blitz/stunt packages. In 1 game, this season, I switched to a 3-5 defense to put more pressure on a team that was 80% passing and 20% run oriented.

Our new head coach is currently making suggestions of going to a 3-5 defense next season due to not having 2 solid DT's. He feels with our strength at linebacker that we can go with a base 3-5 and be able to stop a team that could potentially put drives on against us using the run. The teams we will go up against this year will run primarily wing T schemes, along with midline, inside and outside veer, and gut trap. I feel going to a primary 3-5 will enable us to put our best 11 athletes on the field, but will make us very vulnerable to ball-control teams that run the midline, gut trap and inside veer. Please let me know what you think!!

veerbone Member Posts: 70	Advantages of 3-5 over a 4-4 Jan 28, 2004 5:21:21 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by veerbone on Jan 28, 2004 5:21:21 GMT As far as option goes, I'd be more concerned about outside veer than inside veer. It takes a LOT of reps to run the inside veer against a slanting/stunting 3-3-5.
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djtrap2
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Advantages of 3-5 over a 4-4 Jan 28, 2004 19:12:09 GMT

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Post by djtrap2 on Jan 28, 2004 19:12:09 GMT

Claudnslgr

I believe the greatest advantage that at 3-5-3 scheme has in comparison with a 4-4 defense is that it tends to create some problems for many offensive blocking schemes. The reason being is because the 4-4 defense is a very common defense and most teams at the high school level will practice agaist the 4-4 defense from day one in practice until the end of the season. 3-3-5 is not as common so many teams will not waste as much time running their plays against this defense unless they are playing an opponent who they know are going to run the 3-3-5 defense.

The 3-3-5 defense can also create more problems with their ability to blitz any one of their 5 LB's. There is a million combinations they can throw at you. I like the 3-3-5 a lot verse teams who like to throw the football. However, I think the 3-3-5 defense is not as strong as the 4-4 defense verse the run because they only have 3 down lineman applying immediate pressure on the snap of the ball and your remaining 5 defenders in the box are 4-5 yds. off the ball. Plus, those LB are usually a little smaller than your opponents offensive line. so the LB's are giving up ground and weight verse the O-line. Basically my point is....the 3-3-5 can do a lot of fun and interesting things, but if you play verse an offense which is a basic straight ahead attacking offense (like a Pro I), they are going to beat you up with their running game.

Just a thought!

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Advantages of 3-5 over a 4-4 Jan 29, 2004 4:58:17 GMT

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Post by NYDC on Jan 29, 2004 4:58:17 GMT

I would have to agree with djtrap2. We have run both schemes as our base, and we have found that:
1. The 4-4 as a base is easier to run esp for a beginning or new coach. what I mean by that is that with the 3-3 you are always looking at ways to insert a 4th defender at the point of attack to stop the run and also to pressure the passer. With the 4-4 it is done already. This forces one to really be on top of things as far as scouting and game prep go. It is nessecary to slant or blitz most every play in the 3-3. Where do we slant to or blitz is a constant question mark and if you make a mistake....
2. We were not able to sit in the 3-3 as a base and defend the run successfully. We had to jump to another front (we used the 46) to stop teams from running all over us. We just could not stop ISO or BLAST plays consistantly enough in the 3-3. Maybe we were not as good at cocahing it as we should have been, maybe the kids were not the right type of kids, who knows. In my opinion (and it is only an opinion) the 4-4 is a better Defense at the High School level. I will say that we will have a 3-3 package more like a nickel package for the passing game, but we are going back to the 4-4 as our base. I hope this helps.

djtrap2 Member Posts: 134	Advantages of 3-5 over a 4-4 Feb 1, 2004 21:55:38 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by djtrap2 on Feb 1, 2004 21:55:38 GMT Coach NYCD Where do you coach? Are you from the NYC area?

NYDC Member Posts: 93	Advantages of 3-5 over a 4-4 Feb 2, 2004 5:52:53 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by NYDC on Feb 2, 2004 5:52:53 GMT No actually I Coach in Central NY near Syuracuse

galdrapann Member Posts: 178	Advantages of 3-5 over a 4-4 Feb 3, 2004 5:47:28 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by galdrapann on Feb 3, 2004 5:47:28 GMT Is the 3-5-3 really a three man D Line or are the two outside linebackers lined up as 9 techs? What is the difference between this and the 5-3 front? Is it a read defense or gap control?

djtrap2
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Advantages of 3-5 over a 4-4 Feb 3, 2004 17:56:04 GMT

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Post by djtrap2 on Feb 3, 2004 17:56:04 GMT

Coach Galdrapan,

In your base 3-5-3 defense you usually have a NG on the Center, both DT's are lined up head-up on the Tackles. Your Middle LB is Stacked behind the NG and your other LB are stacked behind both DT's. Outside of them you have your two OLB's playing outside the box area. Your secondary is typically in a cover III look.

Now ofcourse the defense is not going to stay in one alignment all game, so they will move around on you. Maybe they walk those OLB's onto the Line of scrimmage. Or maybe they move one of those stacked LB (stacked behind the DT) up to the line scrimmage. One of the advantages of the 3-5-3 is their ability to move around a lot and cause confusion.

Your base 5-3 look typically has 5 men on the line of scrimmage and three line backers, usually with a cover III look behind it. A lot of times teams will run a 5-2 with a cover II look in the secondary and than they will walk one of those deep safeties up to be an extra LB(which gives you a 5-3 look). If they walk him up than they are forced to align in a cover III look.

Hope this helps!

galdrapann
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Advantages of 3-5 over a 4-4 Feb 4, 2004 5:43:51 GMT

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Post by galdrapann on Feb 4, 2004 5:43:51 GMT

Thanks DJ,
With six inside the tackle box, this looks to be a strong defense against the inside running game with almost a nickel look behind, e.g., OLB are really SS type players, at least to me as we run a forty nickel type D. However, with the outside backers as both contain and force it seems susceptible to Power and especially to Load option in it's base look. Have the flanker release to the FS in the Cover 3 shell, load the SS and pitch off the CB.

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Post by claudnslgr on Jan 27, 2004 18:38:23 GMT

Post by veerbone on Jan 28, 2004 5:21:21 GMT

Post by djtrap2 on Jan 28, 2004 19:12:09 GMT

Post by NYDC on Jan 29, 2004 4:58:17 GMT

Post by djtrap2 on Feb 1, 2004 21:55:38 GMT

Post by NYDC on Feb 2, 2004 5:52:53 GMT

Post by galdrapann on Feb 3, 2004 5:47:28 GMT

Post by djtrap2 on Feb 3, 2004 17:56:04 GMT

Post by galdrapann on Feb 4, 2004 5:43:51 GMT

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