Please Explain the Rules? Dive

COACH,
WE DID A LITTLE OF THIS THE LAST TWO YEARS.
WE DID PULL COVERED LINEMEN. WE USED THE RB TO FILL ON DL , AND KEPT THE DE IN CHECK WITH BOOTLEG. I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD DO THIS, IT WORKED FOR US, BUT WE WERE ONLY IN SHOTGUN ABOUT 20% OF THE TIME.

When I say "pull" all I am talking about is moving to the next down lineman. Again in the shade 50 with a 5, 3 and 0 on the backside to center. Do you Ace with the BSG and Center and leave the BST on the 3. To me that makes sense, but I need some other opinions.....other than run the other way.

Old Mule ,
You are correct by saying the D would give you 8 men in the box. Against the 5-3 you have to throw to loosen up the box, or go double tight. We have had a lot of success running double tight and the dive. We picked a lot up from Mount Union, "bring them in and run them out." In our Pro set with 2 back set vs. the 5-2 with a true 5 man front we will take the BST who has the 5 and pass set the Weak End leaving the 5 tech. DT on an island, again we will run the right HB across and he will block the DT or run him behind to fake the option back. This play will cause the BSLB to slow up and allow the BSG and Center a chance to really get a good combo. If we do kickout with the right HB on the DT it can really open a great cutback lane for our back, out of our off set I from the gun. I hope this helps

Old mule,

I coach in Minnesota. If we have two backs in the backfield with a TE we will see a 8 man box. We do a couple of different things to see if we can remove one defender or account for the extra defender.

To see if we can remove the defender we will flex our TE and have our split end and flanker in a twins set on the other side of the formation. (Twins Flex) If the defender does not cover the slot we will check to bubble screen, and most teams that play us know that so they will at least try to split the difference.

To account for the extra man we will either load the PS back to the alley player on playside of the zone play or we will have him carry out an option path away from the zone fake and after the QB hands the ball off they both carry out the option away from the zone. We have found that this opens up the cutback lane becasue the backside alley player will take pitch and the backside lber will either run to QB or slow read.

Sorry for the delay in my response.

JD

HOS,
That's a good scheme, I can see it working.
But I was originally drawing it up with the Shade 50 from the original post. Even with a true fifty, most teams that we face will reduce down on the weaksside giving us a DE in a 5 or wide 5, and a DT reduced down to a 3 tech.
This answers some questions about the 2-back Gun set. I like the option off of the zone. We're basically a 4 wide gun set running the inside zone with a boot off of it. We also will look for the bubble screen. Probaly start looking at some 2-back sets this spring.
Thanks.

HosHos,
Hope we're talking about the same thing, you're talking about a "dive" and I'm talking about an inside zone. Also, I call the 0, 2, 4, 6 tech as heads up, 1, 4i, 7 as inside shades, and 3, 5, 9 as outside shades.
Not saying this is right, but so we're on the same page. But here goes anyway.

Vs. 5 & 3 back side, 0, 5,9 playside.
TE base the 9, PST base the 5, PSG look for possible combo of the 5 tech and work to LB, OC & BSG combo 0 tech and LB, BST reach the 3 tech. Should be nice cutback lane.

Vs Eagle 5 & 3 backside, 0, 3, 6 playside
Only difference would be PST uncovered working to LB or possible called to chip the 3 tech., the PSG would base base the 3 tech. Basically the PSG & PST exchange responsibilities.

Hope this helps

Old Mule,
Just wanted to let you know that we are on the same page...dive and inside zone, as well as you descriptions of the tech. Thanks Again!

Coach,
The way you are describing is the way we run he outside zone, however if our TE can't get inside the 7 then we will be forced to block them both the same way. Thanks

Coach Joe,
On inside zone, t.The PSG would make the call if he feels he needs help on the 3. Also to clarify, this would only be called playside with a TE. Looking at a 9 tech with the PST uncovered. Sorry if I forgot that important bit of info.

If he have a raging 3 tech penetrating the B gap on outside zone, we just ask the PSG to cut him.

Old Mule