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What do you coaches like to do against a trips formation zone coverage wise? I mean anything from 3 wide receivers, to two wides and a TE to a wideout, TE and wing on the same side.
Does it depend on the type of trips they use? meaning will you use a different coverage dpending on how the trips are aligned? What are the rules for pattern reading?
We don't change our rules with the formation. Our alignment might change. In Cov 3 the Corner is the 1/4 player taking away Post and Go first, The $ is on #2 and is taking away the quick seam first (he carries the vertical 12 yards) then works to the flat if # 2 take him there or if #3 cut across his face, The LB on #3 will (Sam or Will) depending if #3 is a TE or not will get in the vision of the QB and #1 (hook to curl relation) to take way any skinny posts. The Free will have the other 1/4 and help on the post if there are no other vertical threats. The back side corner is the 1/2 player and the outside backer away from trips is the flat player. Another thing is #2 and #3 need to re-route any vertical patterns, this allows the Corner and Free to have a better change against 4 verticals. We might make a "banjo" call if the trips is a slot next to the TE so we will combo #2 and #3 if they try to run a pick.
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Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Mar 25, 2004 8:29:59 GMT
Typically against a true trips formation, I like a straight C3. If the #3 is lined up real wide, we walk the playside backer out to split the distance so the hitch isn't there. Against what we call a trey formation (TE and 2 WR) I kind of like using a variation of C3, what I call C3 cloud, in this the strong safety and the corner switch repsonsibilities. The safety gets deep outside 1/3 and the corner stays in the flats. YOu can run this from a 2 shell, so it's easier to disguise than a straight C3. The corner would cheat his allignment a little and not be lined up outside the #1 receiver and maybe be head up or even inside shade a little. He does have to redirect the #1 on a verticle route though. Everything else stays the same as in C3. If a team is big on using the TE on seam routs up the middle out of that formation a C3 robber is nice. In that the SS and the playside LB switch responsibilities. The LB gets flats and the SS takes his hook/curl route. The reason it's good against the seam or pop pass to TE is that the QB will see the LB vacating the area and hope the TE is going to be free, when the SS is coming in to replace him and either land a huge hit or get a pick. On this, you have to use a 2 shell look, otherwise the SS will never get to that area in time to help. It's a great coverage against a team that likes thier TE or slants out of the trey. These two are just as good against that tight trey you were talking about with a WR, a wing, and a TE. These can be used against a normal trips formation as well if you are looking to give a different look. In all of these, the underneath coverage guys try to get hands on any receiver that is realeasing. As for pattern reading. The basic rules apply, if you're in the flats and someone releases inside, look for someone coming back out. And if you're inside and someone releases out, look for someone coming back in. It's the same for the deep guys. And talk, talk, talk. Commmunication is so important in coverage. One person not letting someone know they are coming into thier zone can be the difference between a TD and an INT. Hope these help a little.
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Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Mar 26, 2004 18:44:34 GMT
With a zone, I don't walk out the LB as much against a wide split bunch formation. Other than that, I dont' adjust much against a bunch. Yes, they will be picking and rubbing as they come out of thier bunch, but they will still be winding up in someone's zone as they get into thier patterns. And I dont mind giving up a few 3-4 yard passes. I teach my DBs to give a 3 yard headache. If they catch a 3 yard pass, give them a big stick and limit them to that. As a game wears on, WRs start to brace for a hit instead of catching the ball and drops happen. If I'm in a situation where I can't give up the 3 yard headache, I'm in press coverage anyway.
Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.
Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years
Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden
"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
I agree with frmrgriffinsafety. If you watch your scout film you will find that if your DBs stay in their zone against a Bunch formation, and don't chase crossers the receiver may even come to you. We will sometimes "Combo" a trips formation. That to us is Man on the 1 receiver side and Zone on the other. This way we can play 3 deep concepts or two deep concepts on the 3 receiver side depending on what they are trying to do to us.
We are in a passing league for the summer and our we are having difficulty. We play a 4-4 cover 3 and we adjust to trips by slidding our LB's. However, I am having difficulty teaching our players to pattern read. How do I do this? Example: vs Twins: what do the Corner and OLB read and what are their landmarks for drops and do they read patterns? Our OLB drop to hook and react up on curl, but our OLB are just dropping to spots and not covering WR's at the same time. Any help is appreciated. DC
Forget zone, compress the coverage and man up. Sure, they are going to get their picks and rubs, but DB's are athletes, put your best against their best and make them play! One of the posts above mentions that if his troops are in a situation where 3 yd gain will hurt them, he is going to be in press anyway. Certainly that is the thing to do, but it precipitates in my mind the question of what the main purpose of defense really is? Isn't it to prevent the offense from advancing the ball toward your goal? Sure it is, so why let them have ANYTHING AT ALL? Go with man from the git go, work on schemes that entail switching up responsibilities like they do in man coverage in basketball, how to avoid the picks and rubs,etc. and make them earn every foot they get, let alone yds. Just my opinion.
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This is how we play a cover2 pattern-read (vs a balanced 1-back set). C and S read #2. If #2 is vertical, C locks on #1 and S locks on #2. If #2 goes to flat, C will drop and not come up to #2 until QB turns his shoulder to throw to #2. S will get inside and over top of #1. If #2 does a shallow drag (under LB drop), C will stay with #1 but look for someone crossing his face, while the S looks for a crosser. If #2 does a deep drag (behind LB drop), C will stay with #1 and S will lock on #2. OLB's are curl players, but they must also read #2. If #2 goes vertical, OLB must bang him; don't go to RB in flat until QB turns to throw to RB. If OLB jumps flat right away, the curl will be open. If #2 goes flat, the OLB can stay in the curl.
VS trips you can have the S and the C play cover2 read. the OLB to the trips reads #3. If #3 vertical or to the flat, OLB locks on. If #3 blocks or goes inside, the OLB plays the curl.
I kow this sounds difficult, but it's not. We put in both cover2 read and the trips adjustment in about 15 minutes. Then we spent the bulk of our time repping it. Now, when a receiver is open, we ask the players (S,C,OLB) what did #2 do or what did #3 do? If they can't tell us, we know they did not look at the prper key or did not react properly.
Against trips, and especially Bunch, we use a combo coverage. Rex Ryan's book on the 46 calls it a "loaded" zone. It involves the SC (to the passing strength, i.e., the trips) to cover deep half. From our Cover 2 shell, the $ rotates to the deep flat, while the S covers the short flat. Mike has the Curl zone and Will has the hook. The backside #1 is double covered by the WC and FS because we feel a lot of times teams will put their stud WR away from trips or a bunch and use R&S Choice or just try to spring the guy against coverage swung to the other side. The weakness of this coverage can be a screen or flare by the back to the weakside. We have a number of games that we play with the coverage on the backside involving switching man responsibilities, etc. and the player with the "zone" responsibility must check for the flare by the back and talk, talk, talk. The other thing I like about this coverage is you get two big hitters (LBs) moving inside out against crossing routes and seams to deliver the "3 yard headache".
Post by frmrgriffinsafety on Jul 28, 2004 11:20:20 GMT
In response to Tigerone's post, I agree that the other team should earn everything they gain. Catching a ball while taking a hard hit, in my mind is earning it. And it also serves another purpose, everytime most WR catches a ball and take a big hit, it plants a seed in thier head that that is coming everytime they catch the ball. As time passes and they take these hits and see thier teammates taking these hits, thier arms get a little bit shorter, and thier focus gets a little bit shakier and maybe they don't catch a ball in the fourth quarter that they did catch in the first quarter. Pain can be a serious detriment to achievement. And as for the job a defense, the main objective is the keep the other team from scoring. They can rack up all the yardage they want as long as they don't score. I'll take a game where my defense gives up 420 yards and 3 pts. over a game where they give up 210 and 14 pts. I don't really want a team racking up a ton of yards and I am of a very aggressive mindset. However, I really believe that every defensive play call that is made sets up something else, whether it is the very next play or not until 2 quarters later. If I've been playing C3 against that formation all game long and then suddenly change it up in the third or fourth quarter it makes my opposing OC work that much harder b/c I've now thrown something at him that he wasn't expecting. It could also be something that leads to a turnover b/c the opposing players haven't seen it all game either. But I guess this gets into overall play calling and defensive philosophies as a whole. Which I love to talk about and discuss. Anytime I can talk about anything football related and possibly gain different perspectives and ideas just makes me better. I'm still a young coach that is striving to grow and learn. My email and messengers names are on my profile and anytime anyone would like to talk about things and discuss them, give me a holler. Thanks.
Defensive Back- Canisius College-4 yrs.
Assistant Coach - Bishop Grimes High School- 2 years
Assistant Coach - Cheektowaga Central High School- 5 years
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail." -John Wooden
"I firmly believe that any many's finest hour is that moment when he has worked his heart out for a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle, victorious." - Vince Lombardi
Get your HC to give your brother a shot, your going to be a fine coach and why not take him along for the ride? I'm saying this not because of your agreement with my post above, but because of your posts on the board that indicate you are exactly what you say you are, a dedicated young coach who wants to soak up all the knowledge he can get. As always, the other coaches are very informative and knowledgable in explaining how their philosophy unfolds and the mechanics of getting it done. This is a really good board!
J.C.Easton
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