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In the last 2 years 2 HS teams (2A and 4A) in my state have won state championships using an interesting choice of OL blocking. Each team has gone with the OL blocking out of the 2 point stance--run or pass the entire season. The 4A uses the I back and worked mostly with zone protection. The 2A team used the 2 point with the Wing-T. Do any of you use this? What are your thoughts?
I've used 2 point for zone before, mainly because my lineman were to big, fat and slow to come out of 3 point. Seriously though, I teach an angled-back stance for zone anyway, which places very little weight forward. I'm thinking of going back to 2 point stance with this team.
As far as Wing-T though, granted there is a lot of down - down - kick involved, but I would rather those lineman go with a flat-back with some wieght forward to enable that drive for the shoulder block. The only benefit I could see would be for the pulling guards. It's been a few years since I coached a Wing-T team, but that would be my thinking.
Old Mule--Thanks for the insight. Washington State is the area I am talking about. When you went with the 2 point for zone where you using the I formation? Did you find that you were losing the battle to blitzing LBs or slanting defensive linemen who might have gotten under your OL pads? I went to a presentation from the OL coach for one of the schools I mentioned and he said that the biggest advantage that they felt they had in it was that their OL in a 2 point could see blitzing LBs better and pick them up and they could zone step to cutoff quicker.
At that time, we were a 1-back, 4 wide, with QB under center. I agree that the OL can get to thier zone step quicker, but we neve really had a problem with the "D" getting under our pads. You still got to practice coming off low with that 1st step. Thinking about it, I guess the shoulders drop when you step forward so it ends up being about the same height if they started in a 3 point stance. Hope that makes sense.
A lot of our quick passing game was just zone blocking off of play action. For our 5-step drops, we used slide protection in which I used for 2 and 3 point stance teams and I've never really noticed any difference whether they were picking up the blitzes better.
Ask any lineman whether they would rather be in a 2 or 3 point stance, and I bet most would say two. As a former lineman, I would too. Not because it would had made me a better pulling guard, but that 3 point stance wore my butt out.
I know what you mean, I was a center in hs and college. Unfortunately there is no break--2 or 3 point for the center. I have been thinking of using it next year. Next year our OL will be undertalented and so I am looking for an advantage to make us competitive. Our league uses a lot of gap control out of a 4-4 cover 3 with slanting DL and and blitzing LBs not much reading just gap control. From your experience with the 2 point do you think it would hold up to this type of defense? Why have you gotten away from it?
"From your experience with the 2 point do you think it would hold up to this type of defense?"
It depends what Offense you're running. If Zone, then try the 2 point stance. If a power game (ISO, leads) then I'd stick with 3 point.
"Why have you gotten away from it?"
Just changed teams recently. Just left a Wing-T team. Ran Zone a few years ago with another team (we modeled it loosely after Hofstra and Wisconsin's schemes), and now I just started with a high school that wants to implement it. Trying to brush up on Zone before our Spring practice starts. Thinking about the 2 point stance also.
"Our league uses a lot of gap control out of a 4-4 cover 3 with slanting DL and and blitzing LBs"
We keep the defenses out of the 4-4 with spread, twins, or trips. Starting to see more 4-2-5 defenses. Slanting defenses and blitzing LB's are one reason I like the Zone schemes.
The last few years we have been running the Full House T and have had the horses to play smashmouth ball control. We are a small high school and only have about 30 kids year in and year out so our personnel changes based on the class we get. b Next year we will have skilled kids and a weak line so we are looking at the I or Offset I with Zone blocking, that is why we have been toying with the idea of the 2 point. Based on your experience with the 2 point what are some of the coaching points we should be aware of and what pitfalls will we have to overcome to make our OL successful with it?
Pitfalls would be to 'sit too high in the saddle", coming off high, and a narrow / too long of stance. Players want to emulate the pro's who sit higher for mainly pass pro and have a toe to heel relationship.
First off, I would place them in a 3 point stance with butt lower than shoulders. Very little weight on the down hand, heels on the ground. Toe to instep relationship at the most. Have them lift their downhand and now you have the 2 point. Basically, I would teach and rep correct 3 point stance first.
You stated you'll have more skill guys this year. Do you have a RB that can run the zone? I believe the RB is crucial to zone blocking as he sets up the LB. You ever thought of going no-tight?
We have a RB who was a 1000 yard rusher last year returning. He can run north and south real well but might have difficulty with the zone in cutting in and out of holes especially if our OL is slide protecting. It has been awhile since I have been in a zone offense so I will have to study more to determine if this is something we can move to. We have a FB that will be able to run the trap very well. As far as dropping the TE, I have been looking at the double slot as a possibility but we have a kid that will be our TE that is 6'4'', 220, can jump to the moon, has great hands, and can block so I don't want to drop his position. If we didn't have him then yes I would probably drop the TE and go with a I-slot. In thinking about the 2 point, the teams in our state that I mentioned would position their OL in a squat position with forearms about an inch above the thigh, cocked and ready to punch on the drive step. What state are you in?