sky/cloud question

jwt Junior Member Posts: 19	sky/cloud question Apr 22, 2004 7:53:38 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by jwt on Apr 22, 2004 7:53:38 GMT in a lot of reading i have done coaches make refernce to sky/cloud calls. i have a basic idea but could someone give me a detailed description of what read determines which side you sky/cloud and the technique for each side? thank you jwt

Superchief
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sky/cloud question Apr 23, 2004 14:36:33 GMT

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Post by Superchief on Apr 23, 2004 14:36:33 GMT

The way I learned this was that SKY and CLOUD were the calls made to determine which DB, in a 4-deep scheme, was the force/contain player. Sky meant that the SAFETY to the side of the action was the force player; while CLOUD meant that the CORNER was the force player.
Some coaches teach that SKY force should be used if the widest receiver is 5yds or more away from the next adjacent player. CLOUD is used if the widest receiver is less than 5yds from the next adjacent player.

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sky/cloud question May 18, 2004 7:45:10 GMT

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Post by coach16 on May 18, 2004 7:45:10 GMT

on the two receiver side, if inside receiver is 6 or less yds from LOS in a three deep coverage with a strong safety, a cloud call is made. This call will switch run/pass responsibilities with the DB on his side
Our DBs yell sky{DB strong deep third/contain-SS flat/force} or cloud each down before the snap so they are on same page.

lochness Senior Member Posts: 444	sky/cloud question May 18, 2004 9:12:34 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by lochness on May 18, 2004 9:12:34 GMT Coaches, I can see the advantage of running "Sky" in a 4-across look...but what advantage does "Cloud" give you, particularly if your CB's are more "pass coverage types" and your safeties are more "LB / run support" types?

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sky/cloud question May 18, 2004 9:22:05 GMT

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Post by DGS on May 18, 2004 9:22:05 GMT

Corner support is needed for a couple of reasons. First, if #1 receiver aligns too tight to the TE/OT, then the Safety will not have enough room in the alley to support the run without being crack blocked. Second, it is important to change up secondary support so that the offense does not know where the run support is always coming from; if they do, it simplifies their blocking.

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sky/cloud question May 18, 2004 11:52:54 GMT

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Post by fieldteacher on May 18, 2004 11:52:54 GMT

In addition to force support, I use sky and cloud as pass coverage calls to give a safety or a corner a jump on a flat pass pick. An example would be if tendency shows a team likes 3 yd. hitches on first down. We would call a cloud by showing an inverted safety and a dropped corner and then on snap fly safety to deep third and have corner fire up for one of 2 things: a pick, or a big hit.

lochness Senior Member Posts: 444	sky/cloud question May 19, 2004 3:34:54 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by lochness on May 19, 2004 3:34:54 GMT Very interesting. We have only run "sky" in our 4-across look. We may want to take a look at "cloud". Thank you coaches.

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sky/cloud question Jul 3, 2004 19:04:33 GMT

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Post by Coach Mikell on Jul 3, 2004 19:04:33 GMT

Coaches,
We will be using sky and cloud coverages next year out of a 52. What are your reads to determine who drops. I am planning on using an automatic Cloud call, but In my schemeing, it looks like it will end up more like a cover 2 look if the QB drops straight back. Any comments? Also, what is your alignment?
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sky/cloud question Aug 13, 2004 6:56:54 GMT

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Post by billatlas on Aug 13, 2004 6:56:54 GMT

Coach Mikell,

When we run our 1/4's coverage out of our 5-2, the weak end is sort of useless if we have a cloud/sky player flying up for run support. So what we do is call our 5-2stack...which is actually sort of a 4-3 look, with 5-2 line techniques.

..............................T..............................
..............................F..............................
..............................Q...................Z........
X....................T..G..C..G..T..TE................
.....................T.......N........T....E..............
......................E......B......B......................
C.................................................C........
..............F..............................$..............

Here now the weak side end is responsible for the B gap, and either the weak Corner or Free Safety has run support. It makes it easy to do this because only the LB and Weak End have to change responsibilites and now the entire front seven.

I hope this help, let me know if you have any questions.

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Post by jwt on Apr 22, 2004 7:53:38 GMT

Post by Superchief on Apr 23, 2004 14:36:33 GMT

Post by coach16 on May 18, 2004 7:45:10 GMT

Post by lochness on May 18, 2004 9:12:34 GMT

Post by DGS on May 18, 2004 9:22:05 GMT

Post by fieldteacher on May 18, 2004 11:52:54 GMT

Post by lochness on May 19, 2004 3:34:54 GMT

Post by Coach Mikell on Jul 3, 2004 19:04:33 GMT

Post by billatlas on Aug 13, 2004 6:56:54 GMT

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