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I'm looking for some help on how to attack 4-4 and 5-3 defenses at the youth level (ages 9-12). With these defenses, we've seen that you either have to run some sort of power football, or be able to pass the ball. I know that in the 4-4 there is a real weakness in the off tackle and counter plays, as well as the passing game against 3 pass defenders. Also, with the 5-3 we've seen the same weaknesses in covering the passing game, as well as the ability to run isolation and trap plays.
My question is, knowing these weaknesses, how do we take advantage of them? We run a lot out of the I and split back formations, as well as some wing-t formations. How can we block the point of attack against a 4-4 or a 5-3 without utilizing 3 backs to do it?
Our organization is attempting to make a base playbook that can be used throughout all levels. We are also wanting to show these plays against these two defenses, and I'm looking for some help with the formation/blocking schemes/plays to take advantage of the weaknesses of these two defenses.
Thanks for being the first customer here in the youth forum! Most teams in our league when playing a 4-4 will only play 6 defenders in the box with inverts on both sides. Defending the outside run is pretty much everyone's top priority as I guess it is in most youth leagues. With only 6 in the box there are obvious bubbles to attack. Out of an offset I, ISO is our most effective inside run against either defense. The ability to double at the point of attack and having hopefully one of our best athletes (FB) throwing the lead block usually makes this play a good one. Against a 4-4 you'll see most likely a 2 or 3 technique on the tightside and a 4 or 5 technique against a 5-3. I try to teach my backs that their initial step must be towards the called hole but that when running an ISO that they must follow their FB. Against a 5-3 the hole will be inside the double team so the back must adjust his path after the snap. Most of my kids at TB always want to bounce the play outside but usually a couple of bad experiences (after leaving their FB inside) will convince them otherwise!
Another good way to attack these fronts would be to trap them but I have not been able to really put in a solid inside trap play that works consistently because of too much penetration inside. About the only pulling my guards will do is when running Counter G and on bootlegs. It would be very effective I would think if your kids can handle it.
Since my team basically plays a 5-3 (we play a 5-2 monster with the SS up at LB depth on the tightside), I can tell you that one big weakness is to run away from their strength by running ISO, counters and inside veer to the openside. The key I think is to have kids on that side of your o-line capable of making the blocks necessary. Left tackle in particular is usually not a very strong position for us. You can also use short motion by your flanker (Z), or TE in a slot to chip the EMLOS or wall off or crack an inside defender as well. This will work well if they plan man coverage consistently and you have the ability to get outside on a toss using the same motion.
Coach, I'd be happy to send you some .pdfs of some of these plays if you'd like. Just e-mail me at dhartman@cox-internet.com. Thanks again for the post and I look forward to a continuing dialogue on the wonderful world of youth football!!!
David Hartman CYFL Coach
"It's not the will to win that matters - everyone has that. It's the will to prepare to win that matters."
We run a similar 4-4 with our outside backers outside the ends. I suppose we are weak to powers, but we work extensively with our linebackers on their inside/outside reads. We also give our outside backers contain responsibility which helps our lack of a true D-End. We run a basic cover 3 out of it and when we blitz our inside backers, we generally vacate our zones because most teams seem to work their passing games outside the hash marks in our league. We also move the front four around a lot to give the "O" something to consider. We also have different fronts and stunts we mix in there.
It's probably a 4-4/ 6-2 hybrid but one of our coaches has helped fine tune it and it is becoming pretty effective.
Thanks for the post coach. Although most youth defenses are vulnerable to a good inside running game, the fact is that most team's inside running games are underdeveloped at that age so it's not the glaring weakness it would become later at the hs level. We play Cover 3 about 90% of the time as well and you're very right coach when saying that the "go" route way outside is definitely what any youth defense will see the most. Our ends (outside lbs) also have contain responsibilities with the corners playing force on outside runs to their side. The awayside corner and free safety are taught to rotate with flow looking for possible receivers downfield. Finding a free safety that will play pass first consistently is certainly a challenge though!
"It's not the will to win that matters - everyone has that. It's the will to prepare to win that matters."
Thanks for the posts! It is difficult to get coaches to address questions about youth football. I'm not sure why, but it is a reality.
I've seen a lot of the same things you are talking about with 4-4 defenses in our league. Most play the DT's in 1 techs, and DE's in 7 techs, with the OLB's shaded oustide the DE's. It's more like a wide tackle six defense than anything. Running to the outside is pretty much useless. So the inside game is where it's at. One of the best plays we ran was an inside counter to a wingback. We would fake a dive off tackle, and have the wingback come behind the QB and then cut up inside a trap block off the opposite tackle. At first we pulled the guard who was on the side we were faking the dive to. However, penetration killed us....so we began pulling the guard on the side away from where we were faking(more of a cross block) and we always made big gains against 4-4 and 5-3 defenses.
However, that was about all we could run....so we're looking for more this year. What types of formations do you run at this level???
Vs. 4-4 I always recommend option. The 4-4 allows you to run multiple forms of option. Vs. a 5-3 Stack run slot to the stack side to get the outside linebacker on the slot. I hope this helps.
Lou Cella
Head Varsity Football Coach
Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)