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lochness
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9-man box May 11, 2004 7:58:16 GMT

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Post by lochness on May 11, 2004 7:58:16 GMT

Coaches,

Does anyone here run nine men in the box? We experimented last season by running a 50 defense and inverting both safeties tight. We mostly ran a rotating cover 3 based on flow or QB action. It was very successful, as we knocked nearly 100 yards off of our per-game average.

Basically, we want to continue with this defense. But, when we installed this last season, it was done "by the seat of our pants". We basically just sat down and over many long sessions, designed a scheme we were happy with. Going into this season, I'd like to know if any one else has used this concept. We play it like a 4-across (just with the safeties up tight, rather than the corners back) concept where you can disguise a number of coverages (cov 2 sky and cloud, cover 4, the rotating cov. 3 I mentioned, etc. ).

If anyone has any feedback on this issue, please let me know. Anything we can do to help coach it up better will be very helpful.

Tech10171968 Junior Member Posts: 5	9-man box May 11, 2004 9:19:09 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Tech10171968 on May 11, 2004 9:19:09 GMT Interesting, but I have a question: how do you combat rub routes (with the primary receiver in the flats)? For example, we run a pretty exotic version of the "46" (which looks more like a "44"), but HB delay wheel routes keep killing us.

lochness
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9-man box May 11, 2004 10:57:59 GMT

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Post by lochness on May 11, 2004 10:57:59 GMT

Coach,

Our defense is designed to combat a very run-heavy division. However, if a team is hurting us in the flats or with the deep ball (where our two weaknesses will be), we have the ablility to call any number of different coverages, either from the disguised "double invert" look OR from the base "shell" alignments. So, if someone actually starts to make a living on us by attacking a soft spot, we can quickly adjust (and often times have that adjustment disguised).

bo
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9-man box May 11, 2004 14:54:19 GMT

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Post by bo on May 11, 2004 14:54:19 GMT

Coach,
I have heard the Bob Stoops of Oklahoma talk about putting nine in the box against teams that don't throw the ball well. Kansas State, TCU also get into some nine man fronts. The front is shaded strong, nose strong A, End in a 5 tech, with the Sam backer walked up on the TE in a loose 9. Weak side T in a 3, WE in a loose 5. FS walked up to weak side 5 yds deep, just outside weak OT. SS 8 yds deep over TE.

zulu
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9-man box May 13, 2004 22:18:21 GMT

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Post by zulu on May 13, 2004 22:18:21 GMT

we do something very similar.
against 21/22 personnel, particularly on run downs, we are always gonna get 9 in the box. we do this from "our" robber coverage. i say "our" because we have kinda combined several different ways of playing robber into "our" way that has worked well for us.
several years ago we did roll into different coverages from a 4 across look. now we play robber on run downs against 21/22 personnel and we play it as a man coverage, zone coverage or a combo coverage.
this takes a lot of the pressure off the safeties, and allows them to aggressively play the run. we don't ask them to be both a post player and a run player. that is tough to do. so for us, it's one or the other.
so, basically the only difference between what we're doing and what you've described is that we play halves or man instead of thirds. if you're interested i can describe the specifics of how we play robber.
the main thing is that our safeties key through the te, emolos or an uncovered, depending on what side they're on.

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jwt Junior Member Posts: 19	9-man box May 27, 2004 12:20:24 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by jwt on May 27, 2004 12:20:24 GMT has anyone used tim simons version of cover 4, and how did it go? could it be used seuccesfully with a weak eagle 50 front?

man2man Junior Member Posts: 8	9-man box May 27, 2004 20:16:37 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by man2man on May 27, 2004 20:16:37 GMT

Ankleride Member Posts: 38	9-man box May 28, 2004 6:00:40 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Ankleride on May 28, 2004 6:00:40 GMT man2man I am very interested in your philosophy and scheme. My email is stephen.gwaltney@pps.k12.va.us.

jernsm Member Posts: 65	9-man box Jun 3, 2004 19:58:01 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by jernsm on Jun 3, 2004 19:58:01 GMT man2man... I would love to hear a little more about your defense. We are based out of the 3-3 and I think it would be great to find different things we can do with it. jsmith11@hotmail.com Jernsm

man2man Junior Member Posts: 8	9-man box Jun 5, 2004 15:29:03 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by man2man on Jun 5, 2004 15:29:03 GMT

galdrapann Member Posts: 178	9-man box Jun 6, 2004 5:52:13 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by galdrapann on Jun 6, 2004 5:52:13 GMT Coach man2man, Please send me the info to galdrapan@aol.com Thanks

mr_fr33z3 Member Posts: 75	9-man box Jun 10, 2004 22:49:35 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by mr_fr33z3 on Jun 10, 2004 22:49:35 GMT hey Zulu I'd like to hear more about how you all use that robber cov. and how it works for you , cause I'm more of a 4 across guy buy I'm always looking for an easier and more effective way to play both the pass and the run
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SenecaBlue Junior Member Posts: 12	9-man box Jun 13, 2004 14:47:08 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by SenecaBlue on Jun 13, 2004 14:47:08 GMT Man 2 Man I would be very interested in your 9 men in the box sheme based out of the 33 defense. coachkramer@senecafootball.com

2kool Member Posts: 84	9-man box Jun 13, 2004 16:12:51 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by 2kool on Jun 13, 2004 16:12:51 GMT Coach man2man, I would very much appreciate a copy of your nine man in the box scheme. My email is klegarra@icoe.k12.ca.us. Thanks in advance. Coach L

greer_b14 Junior Member Posts: 5	9-man box Jun 14, 2004 22:23:52 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by greer_b14 on Jun 14, 2004 22:23:52 GMT Howdy man2man, I would appreciate any information that you could send me on your defensive scheme. Thank you very much, Bob Greer greer_b14@onebox.com
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CoachHawg Member Posts: 155	9-man box Jun 15, 2004 9:45:41 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by CoachHawg on Jun 15, 2004 9:45:41 GMT Man2Man, I would also greatly appreciate any information you are willing to share on your defense. My e-mail is = MTran6795@aol.com -Thanks and Good Luck

jsucoach Member Posts: 30	9-man box Jun 15, 2004 10:36:41 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by jsucoach on Jun 15, 2004 10:36:41 GMT I hate to jump on the bandwagon but could man to man or anyone else who has received this inofrmation please forward it to me my e-mail address is jsucoach@hotmail.com. THanks
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firstand10 Member Posts: 74	9-man box Jun 17, 2004 22:42:31 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by firstand10 on Jun 17, 2004 22:42:31 GMT Man-2-Man: Okay, me too. firstand10@joimail.com Thank you.

DC29 Senior Member Posts: 453	9-man box Jun 19, 2004 23:06:03 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by DC29 on Jun 19, 2004 23:06:03 GMT add me to the bandwagon at jsmith@nque.com
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jsucoach Member Posts: 30	9-man box Jun 21, 2004 8:02:48 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by jsucoach on Jun 21, 2004 8:02:48 GMT Has anybody received the information if so please forward to jsucoach@hotmail.com
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2kool Member Posts: 84	9-man box Jun 21, 2004 20:10:36 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by 2kool on Jun 21, 2004 20:10:36 GMT Coaches, I too am interested if anyone has heard from man2man on his 9 in the box scheme. If anyone has could you please send it to me at klegarra@icoe.k12.ca.us or a_legarra@yahoo.com. Thanks in advance. Coach L

man2man Junior Member Posts: 8	9-man box Jun 26, 2004 17:23:27 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by man2man on Jun 26, 2004 17:23:27 GMT

galdrapann Member Posts: 178	9-man box Jun 27, 2004 6:25:30 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by galdrapann on Jun 27, 2004 6:25:30 GMT man2man, I received the info. I'm going over our 50 package with my HC right now for installation this fall and haven't had a chance to really study it. I'll try to get around to it soon. Thanks.

2kool Member Posts: 84	9-man box Jun 27, 2004 20:25:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by 2kool on Jun 27, 2004 20:25:42 GMT man2man i still have not been able to receive the package. if you could send me a hard copy through mail my address is kerry legarra 786 tangerine dr. el centro, ca, 92243 thank you so much for your help

jsucoach Member Posts: 30	9-man box Jun 28, 2004 8:28:18 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by jsucoach on Jun 28, 2004 8:28:18 GMT Can anyone who receives the information please forward it to me at jsucoach@hotmail.com
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