Installing Today’s Hybrid Pistol Offense Run & Pass from Top to Bottom
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My Qb is a soph and has trouble executing the triple option in the outside veer. HE is a good runner and we run some midline follow. On the veer if he does not give the FB the ball things get cloudy for him and he usually makes the wrong read (keep/pitch). I was thinking of just having him follow the FB up the C gap with the TB maintaining pitch relationship. The FB would then be a lead blocker and a pitch could still occur downfield. That way he can concentrate on making the correct read with the FB and just duck it up if he keeps it.
Thoughts??
Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something.---Plato
I have a sophomore quarterback too. We run the veer 1/3 of the time. He gives the ball unless it is absolutely certain that the read keys crashes and takes the fullback. When he pulls the ball, he just runs. What I tell my scout kids (and often I have to use coaches since I have 18 healthy players right now) is for the read key to take the fullback, the end to take the QB, and we FORCE THE QUARTERBACK TO PITCH THE BALL. He has had difficulty with this. But, common sense tells me that by next year he will be ok. I would run the true veer and allow the QB to get better at it. That's all.
Lou Cella
Head Varsity Football Coach
Greater Nanticoke Area High School (PA)
Lou you sound like me, I have 37 guys but most of them are in grades 9-10. There is no depth! Honestly I have about 14 kids who can play varsity...of those most are not varsity ready right now to begin with...either physically or mentally.
Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something.---Plato
Lou you sound like me, I have 37 guys but most of them are in grades 9-10. There is no depth! Honestly I have about 14 kids who can play varsity...of those most are not varsity ready right now to begin with...either physically or mentally. Are you running the veer from split backs or I? We have utilized both.
Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something.---Plato
The vver follow is a very good play that killed our defense this year. I don't think it was a called play however when teams ran it against us, but it chewed us up in a couple of games
I am having a simular problem but my qb is a 7th grader 9I coach middle school). Now next year we are going to the option as our main weapon and was wondering if running the load would help out the case.
Coaches, Lou's post reminds me of an old adage when teaching QB's to run the veer: "Maybe you could have made a better read, but your never wrong in giving it to the FB".
Teach your RB that no matter where he is in his pitch relationship to your QB, the instant the QB cuts it up, he cuts it up too! Strive to maintain that proper pitch relationship at all times until the play is completed!
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
Your QB is a sophomore. Kepp working the veer and by the time he is a junior and especially a senior he will be able to run the veer and you will be better for it. We asdded the belly-g play for the younger levels to have the outside veer track play when we are struggling with our reads. It has been huge for us. However, we still make the work on the veer every day.
Added thoughts on getting your QB ready to run the OPTION:
TEACH HIM TO READ THE INSIDE VEER FIRST VERSES THE OUTSIDE VEER. THIS WAY HE WILL HAVE MASTERED THE DOUBLE READ ON THE FIRST LEVEL DEFENDERS (DIVE READ, PITCH READ) AND HIS PROGRESSION TO THE OSV WHERE HE READS ONLY THE EMLOS BECOMES MUCH EASIER FOR HIM. OF COURSE HE HAS A PITCH READ IN THE OSV AS WELL, BUT IT IS A SS OR A CB AND NOT A FIRST LEVEL DEFENDER BEING MY POINT.
DRILL INTO HIM THE CONCEPT THAT A DE CAN ONLY DO 3 THINGS TO HIM; 1. HE CAN PLAY HARD AND MAKE HIM PITCH RIGHT NOW. 2. HE CAN PLAY SOFT AND STRING IT OUT 3. HE CAN GO DIRECTLY TO PITCH.
DRILL INTO HIM THE CONCEPT THAT HE MUST NOT BE SELFISH! PITCH THE BALL WHEN THE READ CALLS FOR PITCH!!! DRILL HIM OVER AND OVER ON THE FACT THAT HE MAY KEEP AND THEN BE CALLED UPON TO EXECUTE A PERFECT UP FIELD PITCH TO A RB THAT HAS MAINTAINED A PERFECT PITCH RELATIONSHIP THE ENTIRE DURATION OF THE PLAY. THIS IS ONLY ACCOMPLISHED BY REP AFTER REP AFTER REP WITH HIS RB.
DRILL INTO HIM THE CONCEPT THAT IF HE KEEPS, RUN TO THE HASH, THE NUMBERS AND THE BOUNDARY. DO NOT RUN BACK INTO THE HEART OF THE DEFENSE UNLESS THE GAME IS ON THE LINE, OR A CRUCIAL FIRST DOWN IS NEEDED, ETC. AS THIS IS A SURE WAY TO END UP IN A BODY CAST AND HE WILL BE SPENDING THE REST OF THE SEASON CHARTING PLAYS FOR YOU ON THE SIDE LINE.
DRILL INTO HIM THE NECESSITY OF WORKING DILIGENTLY ON HIS PASSING SKILLS EACH AND EVERY DAY! A TRUE OPTION TEAM IS GOING TO LIMIT IT'SELF TO 10-12 PASSES A GAME AND THAT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET INTO ANY KIND OF RYTHEM THROWING THAT FEW PASSES AN ENTIRE NIGHT. hOWEVER, WHEN HE IS CALLED UPON TO THROW, HE MUST BE ABLE TO DELIVER IN THE CLUTCH!
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I TEACH MY QB'S TO RUN VEER FOLLOW ON ANY BUSTED PLAY( WHEN LATE GETTING BALL TO DIVE BACK AND WE DO NOT WANT HIM PUTTING THE BALL ON THE BACKS HIP INSTEAD OF IN HIS CRADLE!) BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE BLOCKING IS DESIGNED TO TAKE THE BALL. WE ONCE LOST A STATE SEMI-FINAL GAME ON ABOUT THE 4 YD. LINE GOING IN BECAUSE OF THIS EXACT SCENARIO. THE QB ATTEMPTED TO GET THE DIVE BACK THE BALL , IT HIT HIS HIP AND WENT ON THE GROUND, 38 SECONDS REMAINING ON THE CLOCK AND US TRAILING BY 5 POINTS. I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU WHICH TEAM RECOVERED. FROM THAT POINT ON, AND HAS BEEN SOME 17-18 YEARS NOW, "VEER FOLLOW" COACHING OF OUR QB'S GETS A WHOLE LOT OF ATTENTION IN OUR PROGRAMS.
COACH EASTON
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
This was our first year running the option and we had to limit what we did because there was just so much to teach. We had similar problems regarding the pitch - that is, our QB often made his give-pull read pretty well ... and if it was a pull read he seldom pitched the ball. We just had to keep working on it in practice and live with his decisions. We are confident that we will be better for all the hard work next season.
Post by Coach Campbell on Dec 25, 2004 8:57:01 GMT
D*^ - Something that might help. When your pitch back hits the LOS have him start yelling Ball, Ball thiis will alert the QB to the pitch back and his location. The back continues to alert Ball, Ball until the QB pitches and during practice make sure that the QB pitches the ball when down the field. Coach CAmpbell
That "ball ball" call is something we have our pitch back do everytime even if it is a called dive to try and distract the defense a little. I know it works b/c there have been times in games and practice where you can see a little hesitation on the part of the defenders, and hesitation is all we are trying to create.
Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something.---Plato
Just to echo Coach Campbelll's comments - we have our pitch backs call "Balll-Ball-Ball" as soon as they are ready to receive the pitch - and continue to call it until the ball is pitched or the whistle blows. It gives the QB a verbal cue as to where the pitchback is. To work on the pitch phase our favorite drill is the 2 - ball drill - The Qb rides the Dive back and hands the ball off, after disconnecting the QB continues on his option path and gets a 2nd ball from another QB or coach and then execites the ptich phase. We use this a warmup and works well with any double option type of play. - you can also run a drill we got from Eastern Kentucky - 2 QB's with FBacks behind them, if going to the right the right QB has a Tb behind him. The QB's execute theri rides with the backside QB handing the ball and carrying out his keep path, the playside QB rides and pulls and executes off of the pitch key. Can get alot of reps and is good for Inside Veer or Outside veer.
Coach DeMao's video on the midline and triple options are really good at teaching the proper reads for the options, including the veer. At the 7th grade level this year, I taught my QB to give the ball everytime UNLESS the DL crashed on the FB , then he was to run it. period.
After having this QB for 2 yrs now, he is starting to finally get the concepts down so he is making the read properly the majority of the time. Notice, i didn't say all the time, just the majority of the time.
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All great posts...as usual. I'll tell ya, I learn something everytime I'm on here...thanks, fellas.
groundchuck,
We've found that if we leave the CB as the pitch key, we usually get a keep in the keep/pitch phase in both the ISV and OSV. When we are winning late in the game, we use this concept if we are still running option. I would think it might help a QB who is struggling with the triple option reads. Also, QB's sometimes have a tough time reading the dive key and pitch key when they are in close proximity to one another. Try making the pitch key a secondary player so that the QB has more time to process his reads.
If your looking at a 50 front, how do you leave the CB as your pitch key? The DT is your dive read and the DE becomes the pitch read and he can do the 3 things that I have outlined in my post above. If your QB reads pull from the 4i-4 tech(which he will in the PSL the 4i becomes an automatic pull) and here comes the DE playing hard and you had better pitch it off him or your dead meat. You will never make it to the corner. Am I missing something in your technique you have outlined?
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I agree with Coach Easton. How would the Corner be the pitch key in isv triple option? The only way would be a load on the DE/OLB in some way to get to the next level? Unless I'm reading it wrong also. You mentioned something about late in the game do you change your option to load or something?
when running vs. a 4or4i we would make that FB read on dive and pitch off the DE/OLB, true it is usually a quicker read from dive to pitch in a 5 man front to the open side, but we never pitched off the corner.
When running to the openside I always teach my QB to think "quick pitch" as the play developes faster. However, there is a big difference between being quick and being hurried! Quick makes you a winner, hurried makes THEM the winner.
Coach Easton
J.C. EASTON<BR>HEAD COACH<BR>GA TIGERS FOOTBALL<BR>PROFESSIONAL MINOR LEAGUE
I didn't mean to include the ISV, the way I included it, on my previous post (I really need to do a better job of articulating my thoughts).
On OSV, we make the CB the pitch key against every front except the 5-3.
On ISV, we can make the CB the pitch key by blocking the OLB with the HB and the safety with the WR.
In our 'best option' package, we run midline, ISV or OSV from the flexbone. If the defense gives us a 3-tech, then we run midline. If there is no 3-tech, then we run ISV when #2 is off the LOS (first defender stacked or outside #1 who is the dive key). If there is no 3-tech and #2 is on the LOS or #1 is in a 4 or 4i, then we run OSV.
If ISV is the best option, then we can make the CB the pitch key by blocking #2 with the HB and the safety with the WR. Although we normally pitch off #2, this change up has been good for us vs. 4-3 teams.
I hope I have done a better job of explaining myself this time. I'm sure it has been frustrating for you.