Outside Zone vs. Tite Front.Help

Thanks again Oneback for the help! I was told by an O-Line coach that a stalemate on the OZ is good enough for him. He feels if the back is fast enough he should be able to win vs. a stalemate. I have also had confliting views on the tech. that you want to run the IZ and OZ to. We have tried to run the IZ to the 3 and the OZ to the 1. I run a one back set with a Te and H, I love to run the OZ to the open side with my A back leading for the QB. I out number the defense when I get into my heavy set which places the TE and H and Z on the right and the X on the left. Even fronts allow me to get a combo with the center and guard, odd fronts I get a combo with the guard and tackle, if hte tackle can handle his man he tells the guard he is going solo and the guard will go to LB, and I still have the A back leading on force or that PS LB scrapping. What is your view.

I 100% agree, this coach told me when he was in college his O-Line coach told him Reach and Wrap, not worrying about movement. Your point is valid no movement, no cutback! When do you feel the OZ is better to run and when is the IZ. This is one of the areas I have trouble with in play calling.

Thanks Coach! The toughest thing for me as a young coach is to figure out what to run and when to run it. Do you script your plays?

Coach,
CWM would have to come from the box? We tried that this year in the preseason, we had our QB count the men in the box. Vs. a 50 if they gave us a walked end = 6 men in the box he would check to green or brown for the run play. If we had a 4 front = again with 6 in the box he would call green or brown for the run. If we counted 7 or 8 in the box he would call blue or white for the pass. With 8 in the box I would like to use this year BINGO to run all fades. Is this along your lines as well.

Here's what we did in college for 'hurry up':

We call our audible system in the huddle, or determine it on the sidelines, or pregame. We'd go with 11,12,21,22. First number gives the offense the snap count... we did even have a number for 'on set' it was 0. The second number refers to which play will be run. The QB always calls out 2 play numbers... eg, 57-24. If it is a 21 for example... it would be 57 (5 Step 'Yankee' Pass for us) on Two.

There were no audibles for 11,12,21,or 22 as they were used in the system - and could be called out as an audible to 'start' a hurry up system.

If we needed to go with a CWM such for the side a play was run, it would be called in from the sideline as a check play, and OCTOBER would change the play over. Since the D doesn't know the original playcall... it doesn't matter if they key into the play being switched to the other side

If changing the play at the LOS... the QB was usually given some plays in game prep during the week that we could check to against certain looks. To change the play the play number of the call in the huddle had to preceed the 'audibled' play. For example if we called 26 Toss in the huddle, and got a look for a pass the QB would audible, "26-224, 26-224". We'd then change from 26 Toss to 224 which was play-action for us off our power scheme. If the first number is NOT the play called in the huddle, it's a dummy audible.

Again since the D doesn't know what was called in the huddle... they can't key in on the play numbers even if thet recognize certain numbers to plays anyways.

BTW... about the Colts audible system, it's been suggested that one reason New England seems to have success against Peyton Manning is that in the last few games they've figured out their audible system to some extent. In "Won for All" Pepper Johnson reveals that Bryan Cox in 2001 'cracked' Manning's audibles and the Patriots were tipped off to certain plays. I heard that suggested on ESPN after the start of this NFL season again... interesting tid-bit.

Coach,

teach your QB to put you in the best postion for success by calling it at the line. An example of this is this past year we had a team that liked to play games with there DE on our TE side. They would line him head up on our TE and slant him inside. Everytime they lined him up inside they brought the SS off the edge, slanted the DT into A gap and blitzed the ILB into B gap. We had our QB check us into 8 or 9 if we had IZ called. (8 and 9 is what we call the OZ or stretch play) If we had OZ called and we saw the DE sitting outside shade the TE playing contain we would check to 3 or 4 (3 and 4 is what we call the IZ play).

Jetsweep

Inside Zone BEST to 1 technique (you USUALLY find the 1 technique to the split end side - that is why A. Gibbs in that tape talks about "preferring" the Inside Zone to the split end side)!!!!!! Outside Zone good to EITHER SIDE. Outside Zone to 1 technique side usually bounces (particularly run in 2 TE sets like the Colts, because you have a 7 technique on same side as 1), while Outside Zone to 3 technique side usually crams C gap because the 6 or 9 will widen (will need to sustain blocks longer here)!

Remember - both Inside Zone & Outside Zone start with the PREMISE that Center blocks #0, Guards block #1, Tackles block #2, & TE blocks #3. #4 (secondary force) taken care of by H, 2nd TE, X, Z, ETC.

NEXT - you follow the covered/uncovered rules (on both Outside & Inside Zone) to determine IF you zone or man block.

NEXT - you follow the TECHNIQUES (which differ slightly) on the two zone concepte.

The Inside Zone is focused on getting movement off the LOS - driving the DLM back into the laps of the LBers & coming off LATE. The Outside Zone is more interested in cutting off DLM, & getting on LBers much quicker.

The Inside Zone = best vs defenses that hit & pursue ("WIDEN THE DEFENSE THAT WANTS TO BE WIDENED"). The Ouside Zone = best vs defenses that "lay their ears back & come STRAIGHT ahead (less pursuit to outside).

Tiger,

That is a real good audible system, is that what Tom Moore explained on that show you saw??

Anyway what are you looking for as to when to run or pass? If you see single coverage outside or one deep saftey do you call a pass? If you see 2 deep do you call a run? Does the side you call the run play too depent on d-lineman techniques? or location of force defender? Do you change protections at the LOS oike the colts do?

thanks