zone vs. 3-5

Thanks WINem.
Are the front side combos that I listed acurate?

what we did to attack the 3-5 was rather similar to what you said, but we were in a Pro I and we just used our BST to give a quick hand jam to the end then work his way up field to were the ILB is going to be and not were he is and that seemed to cut him off and then the FB cutting the End. it worked great , facing this defense b/c everything was fast down hill flow by their LB's so after running zone and stretch at'em for a while hit'em with a naked boot or something.



..............C........................................Fs..........................................C
............................................LB........LB..........LB
................................LB...............................................LB
............................................E..........N..........E
..............X............................o....o....C....o....o.....Y
........................................................QB................................Z
........................................................FB
........................................................TB

This is going to VARY according to motions, formations, etc. HOWEVER - we stick with the basic covered/uncovered rule & block BS/DE with "H" (we committ SEVEN blockers to the "box".

Those of you guys who like to send the FB to the BS on the run can "slip" him under the DE into the flat on the naked or boot. This works really well out of a "near" or "strong" type of alignment with the FB offset to the TE side - play or action side. FB steps upfield first, then goes in front of the QB on a path paralell to the LOS to the backside.

Most DC's seem to want to play the QB on the naked action and cover the FB. Rather than chase this play from the backside.

Thanks for all of the replys.
Couple of things- Yes WINem the inverts are the outside 2 LBs- first outside of the TE and the ILBs are stacked over the DTand OT. I also agree,if Nose isn't slanting strong that a fold by the BSG to Mike can sure be clean.

I see some of you talking about running split zone. The FB away might hold the Mike and backside ILB for a bit esp if they key too much of Back flow- of course a good LB will see the split flow and the OL flow and know where the pnt of attack is. BUT the split flow could just hold the Mike that extra split second for tht extra inch of blocking angle.

Now that some of you have talked about the H- back blocking the unblocked DE, I see that on another cut-up of Tulsa defending the zone, that Boise State used an H back to block the DE- that was the extra blocker that I wasn't thinking about.

Yes in the 3-5 LBs flow hard and downhill but many have the backside ILB on flow away to the backside A gap for cutback or the slowplaying invert (Spur or outside LB) playing cutback also. By bringing the H back into the box- you've just brought the OLB/invert there also. But he's only effective if he plays it right (for cutback)
I like the idea of lining the FB weak- he can take the DE and also like you said- slip out into the flat on a playpass.
Thanks guys for all of the help

Other ways to control the DE in the zone play:

1. Fake the jetsweep (run towards the backside) and run zone to the Y

2. Motion WR into the formation run the zone and fake the reverse to the WR coming over the top.

3. Line the QB in the Gun and have the QB read the DE for give or keep.

4. same as above with either a RB or WR getting into pitch relationship off of the QB keep.

5. Double Tight End Sets

JD

There is an article on the AFQ website from Missouri State on attacking the 35 with IZone and O Zone that is very good. Much of it involves man blocking concepts . Also , Georgia Military has an offense article about their run and play action game where they diagram attacking the 335. They ought to know what works against it if anyone does.